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 Subject : PI vs LEO.. 02/07/2017 06:33:39 PM 
Louis Reed
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Hey folks, I have a question for you. Have any of you ever been exposed to a client by a Law Enforcement Officer? I'll be as specific as I can for now. Action is pending. I'm on a surveillance case, (infidelity), the wife is cheating on the husband. During the course of my investigation, I learn that the "Other man" is an active SC Law Enforcement Officer. She gets the tag on my vehicle and gives it to him. He runs my tag, then shares my information with her, she confronts her husband, case over. Now I know the LEO can run a tag for no reason, did it 1000s of times, but I also know that sharing this information with anyone outside law enforcement is a Federal Crime! So, have any of you ever had this happen? If so, what was the outcome? Did you pursue it, or let it go?

Thanks
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 09:22:01 AM 
Kenneth Walter
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Location: Spartanburg, SC
When Dave MacDougall was alive, this happened to him. He filed suite and was awarded almost $5k for this.

Ken Walter
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 09:29:57 AM 
David P Milligan
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I'm almost positive a LEO CANNOT run random tags and share info with civilians. This happened to me a few years back and the LE dispatcher that ran my tag was reprimanded. Most agencies have a policy of noting the LEO requesting info on the printout and logging it in. You need to pursue & Sue!!
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 09:40:47 AM 
Kenneth Walter
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Location: Spartanburg, SC
With that said David, Private Investigators can't run random tags either correct? I know a PI in the upstate who ran a tag for a friend. The tag eventually identified another P.I. and the case was discovered. All because the first P.I. randomly ran a tag for a friend. The P.I. could have possibly lost their license or at least been fined by SLED had a complaint been made.
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 10:05:34 AM 
Louis Reed
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I don't have a problem with the LEO running my tag, he is authorized. The issue is, he shared my information with a civilian, the same civilian he is having an affair with. That by itself is a Federal Crime, punishable by civil fine, and possibly prison time. I'm not looking to put him in prison, but he needs to know he messed up & be made an example of so others think twice before doing the same thing. I'm just curious how many Private Investigators have had this happen to them in the past, and what was the outcome?
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 10:32:20 AM 
Andrew Staffileno
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If LE runs a tag it goes through NCIC and they better have a valid reaseon for running it. NCIC is audited and tracked. It they look into that request they can tell exactly who requested it and when. That is why the days of your buddy at the PD running tags and driver's licenses are essentially over. No one wants to put there ass on the line for this. I view my account with DMV to run tags and driver history the same way. If I get audited I make sure what I run is pertaining to a case and there is a valid reason for running it. A LE officer that runs anything through NCIC better have a valid reason for doing it or they can lose there jobs or worse possibly be charged criminally.
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 10:35:49 AM 
Kenneth Walter
Posts: 15
Location: Spartanburg, SC
It's been my understanding that LEO cannot run tags for their buddies. I'm sure it is done all the time, however, like Andrew said, it is not authorized. As in Louis' case, I'm sure the LEO's captain would have an issue of LEO running a tag when they are being investigated for adultery. Seems like a double whammy for a possible termination. I'm sure there are others in SCALI with LEO experience or this same type of issue that can provide more actual knowledge of this happening and the results and effects.
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 10:50:57 AM 
Andrew Staffileno
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I worked in LE for 5 yrs and I can tell you if someone was caught running a tag with out a valid reason they would definitely face disciplinary action and possible termination. This was something that all LE's know; however, there are still some out there that will take their chances or come up with a half ass reason to validate why they did it. I never did this because the consequences were not worth it. I don't care how close were are, nobody loves me like I do. That's my motto. LOL.
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 11:53:52 AM 
G. Allan Barton
Posts: 3
Location: Inman, SC
Hi Lewis,

I can send you the number of the man to talk to about this and he will investigate it thouroghly. It's his job to investigate officers in these type incidents. I have other information as well though I didn't go the "suing" route.
My tag was run by a trooper and given to a couple guys, his friends, one being the paramour in a case for Marty and Ken when I worked for them almost 2 years ago. Those two guys located my residence and plowed through my front yard. Glad it was on camera, lol!

I will gather my information and share it with you. The trooper in my case was disciplined but I don't know his name or what the punishment was. I could have really made a stink over it, but I chose to have mercy on all the parties, THIS time.

Please mail m at veritasSpi@gmail.com and I will contact you shortly with some information. Allan Barton

Ps. They do take it very seriously because it is a crime and they also could be sued. It's a slow process too.
Good afternoon,

Does anyone have a good source to reverse cell phone numbers to obtain a name and address? I have a potential client, legal firm, that needs a cell phone reversed for a case.
A few years ago I had someone online that could do that accurately but I misplaced that information a
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 12:12:29 PM 
Robert (Bob) H. Joseph, CLI
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Yes. Dave MacDougall had a case like that. He sued the HP officer and got some money out of it.
Bob
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 12:29:01 PM 
G. Allan Barton
Posts: 3
Location: Inman, SC
For anyone else that has the same or similar experience that Lewis has had with the tag issue, here is the main man you should contact first. He is a good man!

Inspector General Richard Steen.... (Rick)
Richard.Steen@SCDMV.NET

I believe his number is: 803-896-9686 if it isn't his direct line, ask for him and they will give you his number. If I find where I placed what I know to be his direct number, I will post it.

He will get the ball rolling and contact the necessary agencies about the officer. Have the date and time the incident may have occurred so he can check the DMV logs etc...

Allan Barton
Good afternoon,

Does anyone have a good source to reverse cell phone numbers to obtain a name and address? I have a potential client, legal firm, that needs a cell phone reversed for a case.
A few years ago I had someone online that could do that accurately but I misplaced that information a
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 12:32:28 PM 
John (Jay) Phillips
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Maybe the association should look into getting PI's the ability to have their tags off of the computer and have to be hand pulled like many LE department tags. If someone runs the tag it comes back not on file and you have to make a request to DMV to have the tag hand pulled. LE agencies use this for narcotics and some criminal investigator cars. This would make it difficult for the public to find out who we are and easy for us to find out who accessed our information and gave it out.
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 01:06:01 PM 
Gregory Sharp
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I think that is a great idea!
 Subject : Re:PI vs LEO.. 02/08/2017 01:06:59 PM 
Louis Reed
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Thanks Allan,

That's good information. Once things have run their course & it is disposed of, I'll let the board know the outcome. The rules are in place for a reason, and we all must abide by them.
 
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